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the Aurora UFO case is one of my

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favorite cases and when I I was working

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on the bullet that Steve my my good

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friend Stephen androsco just talked

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about uh it was my favorite chapter in

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the book to do

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um the Aurora case and I also did

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several chapters on the Airship

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Mysteries that were going on uh which

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Tui uh spoke about and we'll probably

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hear a little bit more from my good

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friend Nick

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who is up next after me but uh you know

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like I say I just I just love the Aurora

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story and uh just being able to be here

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this weekend and at this event is just a

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tremendous thing for me now what I'm

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going to talk about today is a

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fascinating story it's probably the book

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and I've been involved in writing 12

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books about UFOs but this is probably

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the one book that I've written that I've

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gotten the most

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comments about we've been on Coast to

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Coast AM several times we've done a

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number of of TV shows and radio shows

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and uh the reason that this this

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particular book I think and I probably

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should avoid walking around too much

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because of the buzzing that happens

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every time the aliens see you walk

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around they press a button

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but uh every time that we are that we

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talk about this show about this book on

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any one of these National shows we you

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know the switchboard lights up

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and one of the reasons I think that this

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has been

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um so impressive to people is because

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until just a few months ago Colonel

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Robert Burton Willingham was actually

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the the primary witness in this case was

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actually alive and with us and had Vivid

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recollection of the day that he saw this

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UFO that he was told by a squadron

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commander to follow it in this f-86 uh

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that he followed the vapor trail down

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toward the Texas Mexico border and saw

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the craft start to slowly descend and uh

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and then saw saw it make a crash landing

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near Langtry Texas

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on that day that spring day in 1955. so

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to have a living witness

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during you know as I said unfortunately

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Colonel Willingham passed away uh just

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last August at that one and we even had

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him on with us on a couple of radio

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shows and that was very impressive uh

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back in 2008

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I was driving to Archer City Texas how

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many of you know where Archer City is

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that's where the colonel lived for most

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of his life up up near Wichita Falls

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just south of Wichita Falls so I I drove

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past here from Dallas Fort Worth on up

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to uh Wichita Falls to Archer City and I

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visited the colonel for the very first

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time this was 2008 and he told me this

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amazing story

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there you know he had tried to tell it

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in the past and there had been some

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small little Snippets of information

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from the colonel of him trying to tell

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this story but on that day when I was

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sitting in his living room in Archer

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City Texas when he told me this story

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for the first time it's in its entirety

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I said wow this is amazing and he made

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it clear to me on that day that he would

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not accept a single penny those are his

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words not a single penny from the

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writing of your book if you decide to

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write one because I told him we were

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interested in making his story into a

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book and he wanted it to be clear that

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he was doing this just because he wanted

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to share this story with other people so

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he was an amazing individual retired

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Colonel Robert Burton Willingham

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so as I mentioned this incident happened

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in 1955 I'm just going to tell you just

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briefly a little bit about Colonel

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Willingham

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he was at the time of the incident he

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was in the Air Force Reserve he had

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previously served in the U.S army and in

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the air force uh had served in the

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Korean conflict and before that he had

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been involved in the Reconstruction of

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Germany with the Army he was born in uh

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1926 in Holiday Texas and he served in

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World War II as I mentioned it so

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happens he served with 82nd Airborne and

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was part of the combat 288th combat

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engineers now what's really interesting

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is as you as you all know all UFO

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stories are you bring them out and

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they're immediately controversial

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there's the naysayers the critics who

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immediately jumped jump in and try to

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discredit and of course it was no

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different with Colonel Willingham he was

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subjected to a lot of ridicule

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a lot of naysayers once our book was

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published people who came forward and

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said that he was faking his military

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credentials that he never served in the

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Air Force or the reserve that he wasn't

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really a pilot and I'm going to show you

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we have the Good Fortune of inheriting

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all of his documents from the family and

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all of the photographs uh from his

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personal collection after his death and

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I'm going to show you

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some documents that show the pilot

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training he underwent and the thousands

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of hours of flying that he did in

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military aircraft it's all documented

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um

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so but unfortunately as I say anytime

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you bring forward a UFO story that seems

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credible and there's a living eyewitness

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that people are going to jump on on you

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he served in their Journal patent he

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participated in the Reconstruction of

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Berlin and he was involved in the Korean

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War he began his flying careers flying

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P-51 Mustangs and then he was wounded in

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which uh he ended up after being wounded

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he ended up mainly flying uh missions

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for the Air Force Reserve and mainly he

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was involved in Cold War scenarios where

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um fighter jets in which he would pilot

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would accompany bombers

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making strategic runs in this case as

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Force Base here in Fort Worth uh heading

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toward El Paso and then up along the

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west coast of the United States toward

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Canada they were simulating what a

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nuclear bombing run would be like if the

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U.S had to respond

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um with nukes to a Russian attack so you

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had bombers that would take off they

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would refuel at various points along the

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way they would pick up various escorts

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fighter bomber escorts and so he was

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involved in those sorts of exercises

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during this period of Time When the UFO

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incident occurred

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so as you see on this map

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I don't know if I have a laser pointer

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on this one yes I do okay

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he was assigned that day to escort a

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B-47 bomber

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from Carswell Air Force Base where his

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and he and three other fighter jets

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they were assigned to fly to El Paso

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where they were going to be picked up

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you know at that point the B-47 was

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going to be picked up by another

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Squadron and they were going to proceed

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but he was you know part of the way down

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going down in his flight path when

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Colonel Willingham said there was

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suddenly this amazing amount of radio

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traffic on the Military Channel that

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they were monitoring and he was

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there were four fighter jets f-86s he

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was in the in the what they called the

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lead position this was willingham's jet

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this is a B-47 and

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um there was this amazing amount of

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radio chatter on the Military Channel

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all of a sudden about an inbound bogey

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that had been spotted in the

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Northwestern United portion of the

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United States around Washington state

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was moving very very fast at speeds of

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over 2 000 miles and headed down toward

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um so it had been spotted along the way

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and they had been advised that this was

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inbound toward them toward that general

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um what Colonel Willingham said happened

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there was a point at which everybody in

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this formation everybody in this

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formation all of these men who were

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later debriefed by the military and told

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that what they saw they didn't really

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see and they were not supposed to tell

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anybody about it ever

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what they actually did see though he he

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swore until the day he passed away

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because this object came into view and

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it passed right in front of the entire

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and all these men sought the pilots and

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these fighter jets and the crew they

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were all talking about what they saw and

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they all all of them sat in later at

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briefings where they were told that they

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didn't really experience this at all

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and what it was was a bright object

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bright as a star of the colonel told me

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that day when I was in this living room

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in Archer City hearing the story for the

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first time Bride is a star that was very

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so uh he described it as a hugely bright

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intense light so bright he could hardly

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stand to look at it and the speed at

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which it was traveling and darting

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around in the sky the Maneuvers that it

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was making were just incredible

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um he was once again in his f-86 and he

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was given uh Authority by his squadron

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commander to give Chase to find out what

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this thing was that had just crossed in

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front of them and was heading South

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toward the Texas Mexico border

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so uh Colonel Willingham said that as he

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as his maneuvered his jet to hit on

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just crossed the line in front of them

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um as he saw that he noticed that the

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object began descending and he did he

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feels that there was some Sparks

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emanating from it and maybe it tilted

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slightly as it descended quickly toward

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and then the object crash landed he told

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us and we showed him satellite maps and

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we we got him to pinpoint the location

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of where all this incident we've been

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out there and just recently we went out

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there with a with a with a drone

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camera drone and I'm going to show you

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some video here in a moment very

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impressive of the actual location

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this right here for those of you that

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are out to uh the Judge Roy Bean Visitor

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Center in Langtry Texas it's right

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around these buildings right around here

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and then there's a little Circle Drive

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it's a dirt road that you can tape it

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takes you right down close to the Rio

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and you'll you'll be able to tell better

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how everything is related to everything

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else in a moment when I show you the uh

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the video

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um and the impact side happened just on

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the other side of the Rio Grande there's

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a ridge here

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and then up uh there's a cliff where

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there the cliff falls down to the

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riverbank and then there's this little

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interesting wash just keep this little

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uh White marking in the canyon this wash

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um white marking area keep that in mind

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as as you look at the Drone footage here

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in a little bit

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so what Colonel Willingham was it what

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he did was he was in sf86 when he saw

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this happen he saw the object crash land

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he had of course been hearing all the

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stories about

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UFO incidents throughout the United

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States the mid 50s that was a hotbed of

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UFO activity we had had major waves of

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sightings all over the country

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Washington DC everywhere so he wanted to

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know what it was that he had just

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witnessed he wanted to go to the site

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and see for himself so what he did was

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he he got permission from his Commander

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to return this f-86 to Carswell and he

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went back down to the Del Rio area in a

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Trader trainer

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but uh plane called an Iran Veronica

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and uh

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he told us that he set that thing down

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right next to the object that it crashed

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right in here

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by the time he arrived back and it took

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him several hours to head back down

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there and to arrive by the time he

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arrived there the whole area was teeming

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with military men

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as far as he could tell the large part

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of the men were wearing Mexican army

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uniforms but there were other men on the

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scene who were wearing civilian clothing

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and some of them did not appear to be

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Mexican

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them could have been Americans he said

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later when we were interviewing him we

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we spent hours talking to him prior to

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publishing the book he admitted to us

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that some of them could possibly have

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been CIA or U.S military intelligence

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operatives so the whole area was

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cordoned off by the time he landed a

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small plane

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and uh he had a a friend of his who went

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with him as a as a second

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a second party in in the erotica and

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uh this is this is hand-drawn by the

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colonel himself uh showing what he

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um

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we uh I I added a little bit I added the

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arrows and I added the computerized uh

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representation of vehicles and so forth

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but he did the uh most of the sketch

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work for this

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um here is the Rio Grande River there's

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a the cliff here that goes up to to the

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um

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to the area where this happened and uh

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he said he saw a skid path

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leading to a major concentration of the

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wreckage and then at the lead end of

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that concentrated wreckage was uh was

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what we would call the cockpit

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for the passenger compartment

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uh the area where he saw the beings was

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up here

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there were Mexican soldiers guarding the

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perimeter of the crash area

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he at first his impression was that they

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were all Mexican soldiers but later as

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he

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you'll see that Dry Creek or wash

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coming down like

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right around here

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and this is where Colonel Willingham

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brought his his ironic his small plane

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down and his friend uh an electrical

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engineer was with him

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so let me just do

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um let me just show you this video that

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we shot from a drone recently

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so you can get an idea of what's out

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there

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so this drone is taking off from Langtry

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Texas near the Judge Roy Bean Visitor

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Center

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and just to give you a perspective here

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the Rio Grande river is down here

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this is what I mean this drop the sheer

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drop off these cliffs and then up above

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is you know where this incident occurred

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um the Drone is going to turn toward the

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area where uh Colonel Willingham said

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okay

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um so here

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the Drone is moving uh closer to this is

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the wash that Colonel Willingham

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described and what he identified for us

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in satellite pictures that we showed him

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and this right here is where all the

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activity was right in here

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so uh once again the Rio Grande river is

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down in here there's a sheer drop off

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right here

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and everything happened the area was

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cordoned off and there were Vehicles

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parked all along here

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and we're gonna swing back and take a

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look at where Lang tree is relative to

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okay now we're going to revisit the same

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here in just a moment

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it's this area here

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um here's the wash that I was describing

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and then there's a there's a ridge here

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and right in this area Colonel

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Willingham parked some uh parked his

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small plane somewhere around here Landed

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and we're gonna have one more View From

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Another angle here in a minute and we're

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swinging the camera back toward the

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Judge Roy Bean Visitor Center back in

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there and the loop that goes down by the

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river if y'all are ever in that area

403
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it's it's really neat to go up uh down

404
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I used to go down there before I knew

405
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anything about this UFO incident because

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I love historic buildings and stuff so

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and here's another angle this is where

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everything took place this is the wash

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that Colonel Willingham described uh

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Judge Roy Visitor Center is way down

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here so we're looking a little bit off

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this way and all of the activity that

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okay so Colonel Willingham was able to

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give us a real good fix on where it was

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that he saw

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this happen

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and

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um

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I'm gonna just uh let you listen to a

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a radio show that we did with him

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um

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on the deference program and I'm hoping

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that this equipment will cooperate here

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all right so you're standing there with

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your arms up in your flight suit next to

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this little private plane and you're 150

427
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yards away from this crash disk how many

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00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:14,400
soldiers were there approximately there

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00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:16,020
and were they deployed in a circle

430
00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:20,520
around it or what no I was about uh I'd

431
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say 150 there when I got there all right

432
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took quite enough already and about 35

433
00:20:35,450 --> 00:20:31,640
vehicles wow all right could you see

434
00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:35,460
it was on both sides all right could you

435
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:37,260
see the craft itself

436
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yeah yeah I went in there I'm talking to

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this uh

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Spanish

439
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tenant

440
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anyway I talked to him and we walked

441
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,480
down through there and he said I've

442
00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:54,000
never seen anything like it before and I

443
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,660
said no I either but I said this that's

444
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a little different than some of them

445
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:01,500
looked at

446
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,059
this in here had solid Some solid pieces

447
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:08,880
still scattered down through there all

448
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right so some of it was intact did it

449
00:21:16,669 --> 00:21:13,679
have any markings or anything on the

450
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exterior or was it just the skin of it

451
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well no

452
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I know I want to get there I want to get

453
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there in just a minute hold on with that

454
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:27,900
please all right you walk up to this

455
00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:30,360
thing well the did the Mexicans let you

456
00:21:34,290 --> 00:21:32,460
get close to it or they hold you off a

457
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:34,300
little bit oh they helped me off too

458
00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:41,990
I don't think they spoke uh very good

459
00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:44,340
English the rest of them did all right I

460
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,720
hope they weren't putting their guns on

461
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,039
you all this time

462
00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:49,919
well they haven't pointed that direction

463
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,860
I get it I get the picture all right so

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the lieutenant gets there you walk up to

465
00:22:00,110 --> 00:21:56,940
the craft itself how close did you get

466
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to it colonel I I wrote right up and

467
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:02,159
kicked the piece of it

468
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:05,100
wow all right were you how big was it in

469
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diameter about

470
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well

471
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Corey hipped

472
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it was a lot of small pieces like two

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foot by

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uh just different pieces off of it you

475
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know okay then they got on up to where

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it stopped

477
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it looked to me like that it was a piece

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of 10 each pack

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that was real shiny

480
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and I don't know if that was part of the

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fuel consumption part of it

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or what it was but he didn't know either

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the Mexican then

484
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okay just wanted to give you a little

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bit of um what Colonel Willingham how he

486
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described the crash scene that day and

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uh

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um

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the other thing he talked about was

490
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he had just a moment during which he had

491
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a chance to look through a crack in the

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hull of the main part of the ship

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and inside he saw the bodies of these

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little beings which he's going to

495
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describe next

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was there was there any evidence of any

497
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they said don't look like people

498
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but says we can't let you go up there

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the general already said no nobody look

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at that

501
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so they didn't even let the boys it was

502
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guarding it look at it oh really yeah

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okay so the front of the craft that

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impacted the ground I ripped a hole open

505
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inside and and apparently people could

506
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see in there

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and there were dead

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et's or they weren't humans there were

509
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dead bodies in there of some kind right

510
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:15,000
right and you couldn't get around there

511
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to see in there either

512
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well I kind of snuck around a little

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you're a sneaky fella aren't you all

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00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:23,640
right now tell it you snuck around there

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00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,520
a little bit Colonel what did you see

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well it didn't look like the human

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beings to me how many of them were there

518
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:41,870
all right I never did see the other one

519
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where the bodies mangled or were they

520
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relatively intact and what were they

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dressed in

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well

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dressed

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and they were they were in a lot of

525
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different pieces I didn't see but one

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that had a complete top

527
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but I wouldn't swear what he was eating

528
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:04,679
all right what did the head look like

529
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:06,900
anything like we've seen in the common

530
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:09,480
research literature the the group big

531
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,580
eyes the smooth skin or the little mouth

532
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:12,960
did you see anything

533
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,140
yeah at least some of them it looked

534
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like that they

535
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:21,419
they just I don't know how you'd explain

536
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:22,440
it

537
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:27,539
but they just their heads and uh arms

538
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and stuff their arms are a little bitty

539
00:25:40,090 --> 00:25:33,240
uh

540
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,100
oh okay but they have a big

541
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,659
broomsticks all right no no I got you

542
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,580
they had no uniform on they were just

543
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,320
basically skin if that's what their

544
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:49,500
outer covering is if yeah

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00:25:57,970 --> 00:25:52,620
no any evidence of blood

546
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:01,669
because he wouldn't let me go look in it

547
00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:04,500
I just happened to be walking by looking

548
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,779
in there you know and he said no you

549
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:08,340
can't do that you got to come over here

550
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,460
you're a smart man I'm glad you did all

551
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:13,440
right so um

552
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,260
he was quite uh you know for the rest of

553
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:18,720
his life he

554
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,020
he was wondering what that was he had

555
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,720
encountered and uh I'm fast running out

556
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of time but I just want to share with

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you one last thing and then uh Nick

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Redfern will be on shortly

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um

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00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:35,100
there was a piece of metal that he

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00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:37,620
picked up it was grooved and it had

562
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,140
holes in it as if to dissipate Heat

563
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,960
uh he he tried to take it into a

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00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:45,840
military life for analysis and then the

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00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:48,059
lab closed and they claimed that he

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00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,620
never had taken that piece of metal

567
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:51,419
there and that the person he handed it

568
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,140
to had never worked there and so then

569
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:57,600
the military made it disappear Colonel

570
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:00,960
Willingham fell but we found in his

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00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:03,720
possessions after his death in looking

572
00:27:08,590 --> 00:27:06,299
through all his important papers we

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00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:08,600
found a little piece of metal

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00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:12,120
which you can see in this video that I

575
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:15,419
that I shot we found it in a little coin

576
00:27:21,409 --> 00:27:19,500
purse and it looked like this

577
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:21,419
um you all are the first to see this by

578
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:22,919
the way we haven't shown it to anybody

579
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,419
it was a smooth brushed two inch

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00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:29,940
piece of metal

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00:27:35,890 --> 00:27:32,940
and we thought it was really unusual

582
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,900
because it was the only

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00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:38,640
non-document the only item that was not

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00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:40,740
a piece of paper

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00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,100
that was in his possession at the time

586
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:46,320
of his death why would he keep this why

587
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,340
would he have a special container for it

588
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:51,840
so

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00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,500
um we waited and it weighed 11.6 grams

590
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:58,559
just under half an ounce

591
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:04,789
we subjected it to a number of tests the

592
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:10,250
yeah we discovered that it was

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00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,470
and

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00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,820
um we of course tested it for

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00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:22,559
radioactivity

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00:28:28,390 --> 00:28:27,059
Thread that runs through UFO encounter

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00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:28,400
stories

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00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:31,400
and uh

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00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:34,380
we uh subjected it to Radioactive

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00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,340
testing with the Radix geiger counter

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00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,520
and we discovered that there was no

602
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:44,720
radioactivity it was inactive in Eric

603
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,260
but the telling test was the X-ray

604
00:28:53,409 --> 00:28:50,760
diffractometer analysis that was done at

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00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:53,419
our local University

606
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:56,760
and here the specific

607
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,159
placed

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00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,679
and there were laser beams that were

609
00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:04,080
shot onto its surface and they traced

610
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,500
out the surface and the computer

611
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,080
interpreted the uh and Drew kind of a

612
00:29:17,169 --> 00:29:13,679
computer diagram of the various features

613
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:17,179
of the surface of this metal

614
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:27,470
is what this turned out to be is a kind

615
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:30,179
of a rare form of

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00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:35,950
and what's interesting about graphite

617
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,760
graphite is a form of carbon which

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00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,520
astronomers and scientists tell us is

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00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:43,200
probably the most common or one of the

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00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:44,940
most abundant elements in the entire

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00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,500
universe

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00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:48,480
and what's really really interesting is

623
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,200
how graphite is used on our planet in

624
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:55,760
many military and Aerospace

625
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,740
applications it had been used for

626
00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:01,200
surface tiles on space shuttles nuclear

627
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:03,779
technology is a neutron moderator

628
00:30:08,169 --> 00:30:06,179
under extreme cold conditions is a

629
00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:08,179
cryogenic

630
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:13,380
the properties of graphite make it

631
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:16,200
perfect for spacecraft components it can

632
00:30:22,029 --> 00:30:18,179
withstand extreme temperatures it's

633
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:22,039
resistant to abrasion high density

634
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:26,159
self-lubricating stable in many ways

635
00:30:29,169 --> 00:30:27,419
so

636
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,179
um

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00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:32,240
graphite is being looked at

638
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:35,580
for constructing various structures in

639
00:30:40,029 --> 00:30:39,120
the future by NASA for when astronauts

640
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,039
go

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00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,720
to other worlds

642
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,399
so

643
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:46,559
another thing is that graphite has been

644
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:48,059
used in the construction of stealth

645
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:55,909
so the interesting thing is that yes

646
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,740
graphite is an is an element that we

647
00:31:03,789 --> 00:31:00,299
find here on Earth

648
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,799
it is not anything particularly obscure

649
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:06,360
but then again it's an element that

650
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:08,520
doesn't necessarily originate here on

651
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:12,480
Earth and it is an interesting material

652
00:31:17,289 --> 00:31:16,260
that has many military and

653
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:17,299
um

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00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:19,340
Aerospace

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00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:22,260
applications so we're still doing more

656
00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:24,360
research on this but

657
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,140
um it's interesting that that was a one

658
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:29,760
object that we found in Colonel

659
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:32,960
willingham's um

660
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:36,299
documents after his death Well we'd like

661
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,279
to thank you all for coming to this

662
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,559
wonderful event and you all have been a

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00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:42,600
great audience thank you very much don't